About the letters that follows from Clive Doyle, I was touch with seven seal WWW internet site of Renos Avraam about his no saving grace in Yeshua also known as Jesus Christ and that David Koresh was the only saveing grace and Yeshua was an abonmination, (http://www/seventrumpets.com Revelation study 10 part 2) I choose not to belive this and in because in Revelation 19:10. say testimony of Yeshua is spirit of prophecy Yeshua (Jesus) And David Koresh Are Both Respresent the two anointed ones. One is just as valid as the other and both together have saveing grace ,not just one or the other by themself The printout that I show is the one Clive Doyle Agrees with. David Koresh Taught in The Seventh Angel's Message, Enter Into Rest that Yeshua is an Apostle and a hight priest. In HEBREWS 1:1 we read Wherefore, holy brethren partakers of the heavenly calling consider the APOSTLE and HIGH PRIEST of our profession, Christ Jesus. Yeshua is Jesus Christ. When you are done reading this letter and you feel like visiting Renos Avraam website seventrumpets .com click the seven seals revelation link at the bottom of this page ..
Thank you, William McGivers 07-29-1999

Dear William And Diana,

Thank you for you continued correspondence and support. You are both constantly in our thoughts and prayers. I hope and pray that Diana's battle with cigaretts and resulted in total victory by this time.

In your last letter you enclosed a printout of a response you apparently got from a group on the internet that claim to be teaching the seven seals by David Koresh with an additional message by one who calls himself the chosen vessel. I don't know just what you think of the material you have received from them and I choose not to try to sawy you one way or the other in your decision as to whether it is truth or not. You must decide for yourself, from the evidence presented, just what is truth.

What i will say is this, Although a few students of David Koresh believe and accept the teachings put out by this group as being new light, the majority do not. As far as I know there are no survivors in and around the Waco area who see any merit in the teachings as presented by Renos Avraam, the chosenvessel as he chosses to call himself. The reason for this is that we believe his teachings to be not in accordance with the sciptures themselves, nor with the message as given by David Koresh. If you wish further elucidation on this you can request such in your next correspondance.

In answer to your question on the back of the printout, as to which is correct, let me say this, I personally, do not see or accept Renos Avraam as a fulfillment of Gabriel, Darius, Elishs, John the Revelater, the second of two witnesses in Revelation 11, or any other titles that he may be laying claim to at the present time. I see no prophecy of the Scriptures indicateing that there would be a latter-day Elisha or Darius. In Malachi there is a prophecy of an Elijah who would preceed the great and dreaful day of the Lord and Christ in Matthew indicates that Elijah must yet come to restore all things. Since all things have yet to be restored by the Elijah, then my conclusion would be that any person currantly claiming to be Elisha, the prophet that followed the Elijah in theOld Testament, would be making a false claim, no matter how sincere he or she might appear to be. David taught that prophecy was the important thing today, not trying to apply types and antitypes, in other words using the history of the Old Testament to indicate that one person follows another etc. If this were true then there would be a steady stream of claimants to various tittles saying they were next in line. David taught that he was the expected Elijah and that he came to announce his own return

I hope that this letter does not confuse you more. Should you have further specific questions feel free to ask them on your next correspondence

Sincerely,
Clive

(additional information)
08-28-1999
How much different are the teachings of David Koresh differ from seventrumpets seven seal web site of Renos Avraam? I asked this specific question at Sabbath study today. Clive answered,"The Bible." The group agreed. When you search the scriptures David's teachings can be found there. Not so with the Seven Seals site when it comes to major doctrinal beliefs. For example that Lucifer is a male in the Bible and all the Prophets are in agreement with this. There are so many differences that I began to wonder what book of old they hold to other than the writings of the unnamed author.

Tom Cook

(from a letter dated October 20,1999 from Clive Doyle)
In regards to Renos Avraam. He is a young man from England of Greek-Cyproit background who was a student od David Koresh. He was a survivor of the fire on April 19,1993 and is currantly incarcerated in a Federal prison in Kentucky, haveing been sentanced to 40 years for his role in the 51 day siege. For the last 4 years or so he has made claim to being David's successor in the prophetic line. His friends have published a number of books promoting his ideas on the 7 seals, as well as maintaining a website. His views are not widely accepted by students of David, although he does have a few survivors who accept him as a messenger from God. Those of us here in Waco do not. We do not see that his ideas are scriptual, nor that they coincide with what David Taught.
Your friend Clive

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Clive Doyle Mount Carmel Waco Texes 07-25-1999